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Old Business: 2009 Proposal Discussion: A. UHT/ESL. Steve Murphy stated he had presided over ESL symposia 3 years ago and a more definitive one 2 years before that. There was a long discussion on the issue. Allen Sayler stated the dairy industry did not believe ESL needed to be defined. Nancy Eggink was willing to develop idea further and concentrate on UHT processing. Spore and virus inactivation related to heating dairy products. Steve Murphy noted that this would be a good idea, but with the topic covered at this year’s meeting, we should delay submission of this for at least a year and then consider an update. Update on 2009 NCIMS issues. Stephanie Olmsted recommended folding this into the above UHT symposium, which would include an update on the NCIMS Aseptic pilot as a new regulatory approach by the NCIMS. The Bad, the Worse and the Pathogenic (nonO157:H7 shiga toxin producing) – Applied Methods PDG – Patrice from France shared the background on this possible symposium. Asked Dairy Quality & Safety PDG to support. Dennis Gaalswyk seconded. Committee supported Yeast & Mold Wet Lab Workshop – Beverage PDG representative asked for DQS PDG to support on this idea to be resubmitted. DQS PDG moved to support this proposal for a workshop (John Bruhn moved). Raw Milk Update – Continuing need to get out the message of raw milk challenges related to human consumption of raw milk. Include dispelling myths, regulatory concerns, international perspective, perspective on colostrum, gallons of milk sold vs. numbers of illness outbreaks for raw vs. pasteurized milks. Raw Milk – done at Calgary in 2006. Could be an update to dispel myths, provide a more international perspective from New Zealand, Mexico, Canada, Japan, Korea, Europe, etc. Should address rising Listeria outbreak rates from dairy product consumption in Europe as compared to relatively flat rates in the US. An FDA perspective is needed, possibly from John Sheehan and a consumer perspective from Caroline Smith DeWaal would also be important. Need to include CDC outbreak data related to raw milk and FDA recall data, if there is such a thing. Need to identify the individual states allowing raw milk sales direct to consumers for consumption purposes. May need to gather raw milk recall data from individual states that allow the sale. Could also discuss MSRA and VRE possibility in raw milk. Also need to confront the argument of nutritional superiority of raw milk over pasteurized milk, with Dairy Management, Inc.’s PhD nutritionist addressing this. The Chair will look into developing this idea. Discussion about value since the current issue is political, not scientific. Important to recognize difference between commercial raw milk versus drinking their own milk off their own farm. While a proposal for a symposium was not supported, the PDG supported the following action items. 1. Develop list of people who would be willing to testify about the science of raw milk consumption. John Sheehan from FDA could be one source for speakers to provide facts to the raw milk consumption debate. B. C. D. E. F. Develop an article on raw milk consumption in the Journal of Food Protection or Food Protection Trends. 3. Look at RawMilk.com and develop scientific points to rebut and publish on IAFP Web page. 4. Dennis Bogart suggested we work with FDA to expand their authority to regulate the intrastate sale of raw milk. Steve Sims suggested we contact John Sheehan about this to start an FDA initiative. 5. A webinar hosted by the DQS PDG on raw milk consumption was discussed. Feeling was that this would not have enough interest and could possibly bring the wrong groups to the table. 6. Accumulate sources of factual information sources on raw milk consumption (“Barfblog” and other sources of like FDA website and MarlerClark Web site). Put on DQS PDG webpage. According to Steve Sims, extension agents are a big problem in promoting raw milk consumption. Also need to find a way to get factual information to mothers, doctors and grade schools. 7. DQS PDG agreed to develop additional articles and/or an IAFP brochure on raw milk consumption by humans. Raw Milk subcommittee Volunteers – Ron Schmidt, PC Vasavada, Allen Sayler, Steve Murphy, Dennis Bogart, Amanda Rife, Nancy Eggink. G. How Clean is Clean? (workshop or symposium) or Food Product Surface Cleanability – How to define and measure, different for different industries. Processing Equipment Cleaning – need to investigate what is “clean” or product contact surfaces, the technology for measuring “clean”, the various materials used for product contact surfaces and how to clean them. Work with another PDG that is attempting to develop a definition for “clean”. Allen Sayler described the idea for a symposium. Dennis Bogart reported that the Food Hygiene & Sanitation PDG is planning for a 2-day workshop that includes processing equipment standards and validation of cleaning. Steve Sims reported that 3-A CSP would be proposing a workshop on 3-A standards and how to properly apply them for the 2009 IAFP meeting. John Bruhn moved that we support both workshop ideas from the Food Hygiene & Sanitation PDG and the 3-A CSP. Seconded and members voted to support motion. Steve Sims will bring to Monday Chairperson’s meeting the idea of a two-tiered registration system ($375 for industry and $100 for government employee). DQS PDG voted to support both workshops. H. Listeria monocytogenes (Lm) Update – How are rates changing globally, international controls – are they working or not, review of Lm guidance document from FDA. Proposed by the Chair. Review of new FDA guidance document. Industry response sent in by GMA for FDA request for comments, according to the Chair. Speakers from FDA, EFSA, Latin America perspective, New Zealand-Austraia Food Safety agency. Also, a recommendation from Bob Sanders to get one of the authors of the July 2008 Food Protection Trends to address small processor challenges on Listeria control. 2. NOVEMBER 2008 | FOOD PROTECTION TRENDS 845

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